Ich habe nicht jeden Thread haargenau im Kopf und weiß nicht, wieviel jetzt dort diskutiert wurde. Wenn es nur die Äußerung war dann lohnt sich kein Verschieben.
Und, nö... in den 70ern und 80ern habe ich sie nicht gesehen. Wie auch?
Ich kannte zuerst das Debutalbum mit dem simplen Titel Grobschnitt. Eine echte Kostbarkeit ist "Symphony". Die Version "Die Symphonie" auf dem Sampler kommt da nicht annähernd heran. Leider habe ich die CD bisher noch nicht bekommen. Will jemand von Euch sie zufällig verkaufen? Hat sie überhaupt jemand?
Kaufen ja, verkaufen nein.
Auf dem Debüt scheint die Band noch richtig proggig zu sein.
Ich zitiere mal eine wirklich gelungene Rezis der PROGARCHIVES, von "febus" eingestellt. Respekt!
Zitat: Febus bei http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=2864
GROBSCHNITT is another one of those great prog bands that deserve better recognition.All the prog fans who know this band will tell you they were one of the best ever.Had they been British instead of German, they would have been sitting pretty at the pantheon of fame of prog music. 2 or 3 of their best albums would be in the top 20 of the PA list, no less.GROBSCHNITT had a long career spanning almost 20 years from 1970
to 1989.
Everything was different with this band. They didn't use their own names, only going with fantasy one word-nicknames. They were known for concerts lasting 4/5 hours, wearing masks and roadies acting on stage, big lavish pyrotechnics and theatrical plays while performing. They produced later in their career (1977) one of the most monumental piece of music ever recorded live, a fantastic trippy journey of 80mns, the epic SOLAR FIRE which might be for me at least maybe the best prog ever recorded. Or at least throning high in the top 5--depending my mood--. I have no problems with this comment as all prog fans who know this album agree with that. There is NO good prog collection without SOLAR MUSIC.
But i digress as for now as i am going to review their first album the self-titled GROBSCHNITT. The band originating out of Hagen,Germany formed in 1969 under the name KAPELLE ELIAS GROBSCHNITT, a reference to a world war 1 German army march band. Of course, any good manager or productive recording company would have asked them to shorten the name of the band and they actually did as only the GROBSCHNITT part survived.
The main nucleus of the band was drummer JOACHIM ERIG, better known as EROC who will have a very successful solo career later in the eighties, guitarist GERD-OTTO KUHN ,nickname LUPO and rythm guitarist, lead singer STEFAN DANIELAK who goes by the name of ''WILDSCHWEIN'' (boar in English). Also on this first album are playing another drummer AXEL HARLOS, bassist ''BAR'' and keyboardist ''QUECKSILBER''.
GROBSCHNITTs first album is one of their best, full of diverse styles but everything mixing together very well going from symphonic to wild groovy jams to melancolic athmospheres and then joyous guitar romps without forgetting this German self deprecating sense of humor. This is a happy band with no message of despair or coming death, not taking themselves too seriously but playing very seriously their music. This album is still full of freshness, even 35 years later, very lively and spontaneous.
There are 4 tracks starting with Symphony, a 13mns 3 part-suite which happen to be symphonic only in the end. This song starts humorously with funny vocals followed by a very rocking upbeat guitar and groovy percussions. Some reviewers noted some similarities with SANTANA, not that i agree completely but that's very lively full of rythms and scorching guitar like a young Carlos. The singer ''WILDSCHWEIN'' has one of those kind of unique vocals that might throw off some listeners. He has a strong guttural voice well in the style of CHRIS FARLOWE of COLLOSSEUM or DAVID CLAYTON THOMAS from BLOOD SWEAT & TEARS. This is no JON ANDERSON for sure.
After a few joyful groovy minutes, SYMPHONY slows down ,gets ...symphonic, a beautiful part with lush organ and tasty piano before a wonderful guitar solo from LUPO enters the fray, very melancholic, very dreamy that brings you to prog heaven. A magnificent journey for you to experience. Beauty at its best! LUPO is another one of those guitarists like KLAUS HESS from JANE who know how to transmit emotions and deep feelings out of his playing. Heaven, i told you!
Travelling starts with a heavy guitar riff before going ''Santana-esque'' again for a fast paced rock song another German band of the time BIRTH CONTROL -period HOODOO MAN- would have been proud of! This is not spacey Krautrock, this is groovy Germany!!! And once again , a fantastic loose performance of guitarist LUPO who don't shut up one second.
Wonderful Music is a short folk/ acid ballad full of acoustic guitars, flute with a classical and medieval touch, but still played with a lot of vivacity and fun. This is somewhat reminiscent of some old JETHRO TULL acoustic songs.
Sun Trip is the second ''epic'' of the album lasting 18 mns. I don't know if this is a trip to the sun, but this is definitely quite a trip starting with a strong German-accented narration of a Bible part .Then it's time again for LUPO to shine with some great guitar licks in a Collosseum-like frenetic jam before quieting down for a very ''kraut'' spacey/acid athmosphere, old AMON DUUL 2 - PHALLUS DEI period-would have loved. Then LUPO goes again into a majestic symphonic guitar solo full of emotions really looking to play the nice note then accompanying tastefully a plaintive vocal performance of WILDSCHWEIN. SUN TRIP is a perfect example for all this German musical creativity of the beginning of the 70s as a typical spacey psychedelic ''kraut'' jam where different moods can be reached from weirdness to beauty to melancholy to craziness to frenesy, all in one song and performed masterfully.
GROBSCHNITT is a typical German sounding band, but with their ownn personality and a great sense of humor. And the musicianship is no slouch either. They would l produce great albums, some very average. But that's difficult for anyone to keep the fire burning for so long anyway! So belive me, this album the self-titled GROBSCHNITT will look good in your collection. Also woth noting is that the remastered version includes one bonus track, a live rendition of SYMPHONY lasting no less than....30 minutes recorded in concert 2 years before the release of this album.....another wonderful journey into the beautiful and weird world of GROBSCHNITT.
4/5 STARS. Die Rezi ist (echt? ) in Englisch, ich hoffe man kann sie dennoch verstehen. Der in Linien von mir gesetzte Teil mit den 4 Liedmarkierungen in Rot ist der wichtige, und das klingt sehr interessant. Der Rest ist die Geschichte der Band sehr ausführlich dargestellt.
Bei Amazon soll man für die 2005er CD des Same-Debütalbums 60 Euro + Versand zahlen! Nein, irgendwo ist da Schluss.
Noch eine sehr gute von PROGARCHIVES:
Zitat:
The opening track Symphony (13:44) which comprises four movements is a good representation of the bands music, I believe. I would call this track is something like vintage symphonic prog with some flavors of classic rock. The music is energetic in nature and it provides varied styles and tempo changes that reflect what progressive music is all about. The sheer of energy the vocalist brings forward the music indicates how the band put their efforts in making the music as dynamic as possible. Yes, there are some maneuvers of string section during break sessions that make the music is rich in textures. The ambient break ala ELOY is also given at approx minute 7:30 which strengthens the psychedelic nature of the band especially with the long sustain organ sounds in slow beat. Its an excellent break / musical interlude, I believe. The guitar solo that follows is also stunning. Its the kind of classic track you should not miss at all!
Travelling (6:50) explores the theatrical nature of Grobschnitts music with a long sustain keyboard work at the opening followed with marching drums that represent the musical movement. Yeah, the music moves in crescendo with repeated chords / notes which ends up with long keyboard sound, followed then with guitar solo and a change in music style into upbeat mode. The vocal singing style represents vintage rock music, it reminds me in a way to Nektar. I like the guitar fills while the vocalist sings its simple and inspiring.
Wonderful music (3:40) represents the song that is very different with the rest of the tracks as it demonstrates great flute playing by Bernhard Uhlemann. In a way, the music style reminds me to Dutchs BRAINBOX especially when they covered Scarborough Fair. This track by Grobschnitt is very interesting and very enjoyable in terms of melody as well as composition. In addition to flute, acoustic guitar plays important role as well in the overall composition.
Sun trip (17:43) is a concluding epic which comprises four parts: a) Am Ölberg (Mount of Olives), b) On the way, c) Battlefield, and d) New era. It moves quite slow in the beginning followed with excellent acoustic guitar fills to accompany a narration. The stormy circumstances of the music have made the song is so powerful. As this is a multi-session music, therefore there are many changes in style, for example the jazzy part at approx minute 4:30 followed by great vocal. I have to admit the bands virtuosity in creating a song with multi parts, and many changes in style but they all lump together into a tight composition. This track should be considered as one of legendary prog rock tracks.
Overall, this is for sure is an excellent addition of any prog music collection. The vintage recording quality has even made this album memorable. Highly recommended. Keep on proggin
!
es sind zur Zeit nur RPL und Jumbo normal bei (spv) im Handel erhältlich.
Ausnahmen sind die ganzen Story +Live CDs von Eroc.
1998 wurden alle 70er Lps vorbildlich bei Repertoire veröffentlicht (von Eroc remastered). Allerdings folgte ein Rechtsstreit und die Cds wurden schnell wieder gestrichen. Bei Ebay werden Summen um die 50 Euro geboten.
Es ist schon seid längerem eine Remasterreihe mit allen regulären Veröffentlichungen geplant bis jetzt sind aber nur Jumbo und RPL davon erschienen. Eroc fand die Qualität der Cds nicht für angemessen und im Moment hängt wieder alles in der Luft.
Mir ist es egal den ich hab die 98er Remasters bis zur Merry go round und auch das Debut.
Alles in allem ein gelungener Kraut(rock)salat was uns die alten Freunde da bieten.
Ich hoffe am meisten auf die Vö von Illegal und Razzia, meine Platten sind schon ziemlich Schortt.
Die erfolgreichste Phase von Grobschnitt war wohl 80-82 und davon gibts ne Tolle Live Cd, ungeschnitten ein komplettes Konzert in super Klangqualität.
Grobschitt - Illegal Live
auch zum Einstieg sehr empfehlenswert!
"It's better to burn out than to fade away."
@Roland ,warum gefällt dir nur RPL und Solar Music ich finde Jumbo, Illegal und Merry go Round ja sogar Ballerman und das Debut auch nicht schlecht.
"It's better to burn out than to fade away."
"RPL" und "Solar Music - Live" (das in einigen Varianten hier steht) sind für mich absolut unverzichtbar. Das Debüt finde ich sehr gut, die "Ballermann" eher durchwachsen. Die Studio Version von "Solar Music" finde ich im Verglich zu Liveaufnahmen echt schwach. Jumbo gefällt mir auch recht gut. "Illegal" gefällt mir nicht so. Ansonsten habe ich mir noch keine weiteren Alben angehört.
Zitat: BRAIN
@Roland ,warum gefällt dir nur RPL und Solar Music ich finde Jumbo, Illegal und Merry go Round ja sogar Ballerman und das Debut auch nicht schlecht.Nun, alle Platten kenne ich gar nicht. Mein Einstieg war Rockpommel und diese Platte gehört zu meinen Lebenslieblingsplatten seit 1978. Solar Music gefiel mir erst gar nicht. Das sollte die gleiche Band sein die Rockpommel gemacht hat? 20 Jahre später versuchte ich es erneut mit Solar Music und es zündete. Dann kaufte ich mir auch die Ballermann, wegen der Studioversion von Solar Music. Und Illegal kaufte ich mir wegen Silent Movie. Das war aber dann auch das einzige Lied darauf, das ich mochte.
Im Zuge der Solar-Music Remasters von Eroc, lernte ich dann noch andere Stücke kennen (die eben mit drauf waren, weil auf den Konzerten gespielt), aber die reizten mich nicht, noch weitere Studiowerke zu kaufen.
Aber warum das so ist? Ich weiss es nicht, das entscheidet nicht mein Kopf, sondern mein Bauch...
Mir geht's ähnlich wie Roland. Rockpommel geht wunderbar ins Ohr und Solar Music ist atmosphärisch einfach einmalig. Allerdings gehört für mich die Debut-Scheibe mit den beiden anderen zur Crème de la Crème.
Zitat: Aprilfrost
Mir geht's ähnlich wie Roland. Rockpommel geht wunderbar ins Ohr und Solar Music ist atmosphärisch einfach einmalig. Allerdings gehört für mich die Debut-Scheibe mit den beiden anderen zur Crème de la Crème.Jetzt hast Du mich auf die Debut-Scheibe doch neugierig gemacht. Gibts bei Amazon!...
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